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Top 50 Football Programs from Last 150 Years

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  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum
    Miami at #40. Says a lot about how good we were prior to the last 10 years of so, because honestly, the last decade has been overall abysmal. Hopefully we see a turnaround starting this year. But kudos to all those players and coaches who made this team worthy of being ranked #40!! Well done!
    redhawk11AORedHawk33DICK
  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum
    And FYI nice to see this list includes the great programs from non Div 1 like Mt Union and even some NAIA schools. Shows the authors put some research and time into this list. 
  • rexjack53rexjack53 Wealthy Alum
    Nice. Kind of implies the last great coach was Bo . I disagree . 
    Nescacdad
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    Just think what our ranking might’ve been in the late 70’s or even 15 years ago. Testimony to the many great years we had after WW2 all the way up to early 2000’s through Big Ben era. Very few years with losing records in that entire stretch except for late 80’s.
  • TruckCrewTruckCrew Wealthy Alum
    rexjack53 said:

    Nice. Kind of implies the last great coach was Bo . I disagree . 

    Yeah that was my only issue with the article/ranking too.
  • nyredhawknyredhawk Summer Orientee
    Mallory and Crum oversaw the gold standard years of Miami football. No Bo, not Woody, not Pont, Ara, not any of ones before or after them. Randy Walker brought Miami back to prominence before he alighted for Northwestern. 

    What's sad to me is that other programs have produced great coaches and dynastic programs. Miami now has the facilities to match up with anyone and perhaps when Martin moves on a great YOUNG coach comes in and brings us back. 
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    edited August 15
    I agree with you on the coaches except to point out that Ara’s record and winning percentage (.859) were phenomenal in his 5 year MU stint. First time we cracked final top 20 poll, too with a 15 ranking one of his years.
  • killgas20killgas20 Senior Barfly
    Cincykid3 said:

    I agree with you on the coaches except to point out that Ara’s record and winning percentage (.859) were phenomenal in his 5 year MU stint. First time we cracked final top 20 poll, too with a 15 ranking one of his years.

    My guess is that due to less bowl games in 1955 than 1950 would be the reason why Miami didn't make a bowl game that year we finished 15th (1955).
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    edited August 15
    Correct....some years ago I saw an article with a reference to that team...according to article Ara held out hope for a bowl bid but it was not to be....how many bowls were there back then..15 maybe...perhaps even less.
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    One last comment: that 1955 Miami team was undefeated (9-0), and defensively gave up an average of 5.2 points a game. How is that for a stat?
    Re6H5wk
  • nyredhawknyredhawk Summer Orientee
    Cincykid3, I happily stand corrected. The other thing about Ara was his lifelong link to Miami. He became a national legend at ND but never forgot his Miami background. 
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    edited August 16
    Digressing a bit, but many (including me until a few years ago) were unaware that Ara played a year or two In the pros for Cleveland after he concluded his Miami playing career as a DB and star running back. He did pretty well until a severe injury ended his pro career early in his second year.
  • digitalhawkdigitalhawk Senior Barfly
    Cincykid3 said:

    Digressing a bit, but omany (including me until a few years ago) were unaware that Ara played a year or two In the pros for Cleveland after he concluded his Miami playing career as a DB and star running back. He did pretty well until a severe injury ended his pro career early in his second year.

    A lot of fans don't know Ara coined the term "Dawg Pound".
  • mollauttmollautt Wealthy Alum
    =>BUMP as a reminder to the team the legacy they are representing in Mobile.

    40. Miami (Ohio)

    52.1 | 0 national titles

    The program is known as the Cradle of Coaches because such luminaries as Red Blaik, Paul Brown, Carm Cozza, Paul Dietzel, Weeb Ewbank, Woody Hayes, Sid Gillman, Ara Parseghian and Bo Schembechler played or coached there. You might notice that among those legends, Schembechler, the most recent, coached his last season at Miami in 1968. That's about when the fortunes of the RedHawks turned, give or take a Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback. But Miami won or shared 11 of the first 30 Mid-American Conference championships, a good indication of what the program was -- and could be again.

  • rexjack53rexjack53 Wealthy Alum
    And this with the only 2nd winning season in over a decade
  • thechuck_2112thechuck_2112 Wealthy Alum
    What an odd statement. Fortunes took a turn for the worse in 1968?
    redhawk11AORedHawk33Love_and_HonorRe6H5wk
  • NescacdadNescacdad Wealthy Alum
    edited December 10
    That’s crazy! There were a lot of terrific seasons after ‘68 under Mallory, Crum, Walker, Hoeppner and Heywood and even some good years under Reed, Rose and Montgomery. The ‘73-74 and ‘75 “dynasty years” come to mind rather vividly. The last two Rose years and the Treadwell years were dismal but it appears we are on the way to recovery after the past three seasons under Martin...
  • redhawk11redhawk11 Wealthy Alum

    What an odd statement. Fortunes took a turn for the worse in 1968?

    Yes. It's simply incorrect.

  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    Absurd comment. 70’s were our best era ever.
    Nescacdadredhawk11Re6H5wk
  • nyredhawknyredhawk Summer Orientee
    Sherman Smith - NFL
    Rob Carpenter - NFL
    Randy Walker - NFL
    Brad Cousino - NFL and All American

    Those guys played on the same teams from 1973-75. I don't think we ever had four guys who played in the NFL from the same team, much less three years in a row. 

    Roethlisberger's team had Ryne Robinson and Martin Nance on the same team. Those were also great years and teams.
  • there are always debates related to all time wins.....michigan holds the #1 spot because they have won AND played in the most games. 953 wins / 1,331 total games.

    there are some significant points in time that have had a purported effect on CFB....driving bigger disparity between the "haves" and "have nots".  notably:
    - 1973 was the first year of Div 1 football....prior miami had participated in the "small college" division
    - 1984 was the first year that schools had "deregulated" tv rights.....this becomes an even bigger wedge when you consider the multi-hundred million dollar contracts of the P5 era
    - 1994 was the first full year where D-1 schools moved to 85 scholarships....i thought there would be more parity....and perhaps there was in other conferences, mid majors (see MWC, Boise, etc.)

    prior to 1973, the usual suspects are in the top 10: michigan, alabama, notre dame, et al.....with the exception of army, ranked #5 in the period but #30 over all time.  miami ranked #22 in that era, won 415 games and had a win % of 63%

    though 1983, the top 10 teams all time are the same through this era....miami rises to #16, which is where we were ranked when i came to oxford for my recruiting visit in 1988.  during the period 1974-1983 miami won 83 games for a win % of 68%

    through 1993, remains unchanged in the top 10....schools on the rise to the all time 11-20 are clemson, texas a&m and virginia tech....miami starts its decline as we finish that era #26 overall after a decade long win % of 43%

    so i'd say the decline started in the late 80s and occurred because up to three things....we no longer competed in the small college division, tv freedom allowed for the major schools to become more major - hoarding recruits, and tim rose....

    we were on too slippery of a slope when randy walker showed up.  its sheer speculation to think that had coach walk been hired after tom reed, we may have been the boise state a couple decades early.
    FraggleHawk
  • nyredhawknyredhawk Summer Orientee

    there are always debates related to all time wins.....michigan holds the #1 spot because they have won AND played in the most games. 953 wins / 1,331 total games.


    there are some significant points in time that have had a purported effect on CFB....driving bigger disparity between the "haves" and "have nots".  notably:
    - 1973 was the first year of Div 1 football....prior miami had participated in the "small college" division
    - 1984 was the first year that schools had "deregulated" tv rights.....this becomes an even bigger wedge when you consider the multi-hundred million dollar contracts of the P5 era
    - 1994 was the first full year where D-1 schools moved to 85 scholarships....i thought there would be more parity....and perhaps there was in other conferences, mid majors (see MWC, Boise, etc.)

    prior to 1973, the usual suspects are in the top 10: michigan, alabama, notre dame, et al.....with the exception of army, ranked #5 in the period but #30 over all time.  miami ranked #22 in that era, won 415 games and had a win % of 63%

    though 1983, the top 10 teams all time are the same through this era....miami rises to #16, which is where we were ranked when i came to oxford for my recruiting visit in 1988.  during the period 1974-1983 miami won 83 games for a win % of 68%

    through 1993, remains unchanged in the top 10....schools on the rise to the all time 11-20 are clemson, texas a&m and virginia tech....miami starts its decline as we finish that era #26 overall after a decade long win % of 43%

    so i'd say the decline started in the late 80s and occurred because up to three things....we no longer competed in the small college division, tv freedom allowed for the major schools to become more major - hoarding recruits, and tim rose....

    we were on too slippery of a slope when randy walker showed up.  its sheer speculation to think that had coach walk been hired after tom reed, we may have been the boise state a couple decades early.
    Very helpful, thanks!
  • skinsskins Wealthy Alum
    I believe we were still holding on to that 24-26ish spot through 2005, with the resurgence 1998 to 2004.

    Although you are likely correct as the fat got fatter..but we held on until the 2006 to 2015 period, "the worst of times," that got lazy post Ben....less a couple blips.


    We dropped 4 plus % points in that time for all-time wins.
  • skins said:

    I believe we were still holding on to that 24-26ish spot through 2005, with the resurgence 1998 to 2004.


    Although you are likely correct as the fat got fatter..but we held on until the 2006 to 2015 period, "the worst of times," that got lazy post Ben....less a couple blips.


    We dropped 4 plus % points in that time for all-time wins.
    Through the 2004 season, Miami had already dropped to 34th....between 1998 - 2004 we won 58 games and had a 69% win rate.  from 1994 - 2004 our win rate was 67%......those two periods are followed up by a win rate of 36%, when a series of bad hiring decisions were made.  even the combined haywood results were below .500.

    I drew a parallel to our chance to be the Boise State back in the 80s.....I think back to the mid 70s, newly in Div1 and a track record like Appy State in FCS (some would say that was the equivalent for "small college: division prior to 1973)  we played very well amongst our peers....we beat the big boys with some frequency.  i would have loved to see our 2003 team play this year's Appy State team.
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