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Fall Camp 2019

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  • Redhawks16Redhawks16 Wealthy Alum
    grumpy1 said:

    Sarcasm doesn’t translate well into the written word.

    It was worth a try
    DICKgrumpy1digitalhawk
  • Redhawks16Redhawks16 Wealthy Alum
    I was able to swing by practice this morning. Here are a couple impressions I came away with:

    Gabbert took pretty much all of the first team QB reps. Mayer and Williamson rotated in some, but primarily worked with the 2's.

    Overall I didn't come away with a warm and fuzzy feeling about the offense. The attrition and recruiting whiffs at WR seem apparent. Everything seems slow and not in rythm. None of the QBs threw the ball particularly well, although Mayer did have a couple decent plays. Perhaps they've just reached the point of camp where they need to face someone else in a different uniform. I dont know, but hopefully they keep improving between now and Iowa.

    On the flipside, I thought the defense looked great. They played with a lot of intensity and were flying all over the field. Our secondary has the chance to be the best in the MAC imo and Rugamba has a chance to be a pro.

    Kimpler was out of a sling. He didn't practice but that still seems encouraging. Knock on wood, but I didn't see a lot of guys out injured.

    We probably have the best Kicker/Punter combo in the MAC. They killed it.
    redhawk11skipatrollerThe_SackmanBash_RiprockDICKLove_and_HonorScalperChiefPanicagc
  • NickskinNickskin Wealthy Alum

    ..... We probably have the best Kicker/Punter combo in the MAC. They killed it.

    This is good!
  • DavearamaDavearama Havighurstite
    QT? Do you think he's really talking to the team the same way he's talking to the press/public? 

    You always have to have a plan of attack and a "this is how we can keep it close, play with these guys and  beat them" sort of approach when he's talking to the team. Don't you think?  




    DSnyder15
  • Davearama said:

    QT? Do you think he's really talking to the team the same way he's talking to the press/public? 


    You always have to have a plan of attack and a "this is how we can keep it close, play with these guys and  beat them" sort of approach when he's talking to the team. Don't you think?  




    ^^^^^^^^^^

  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    Davearama said:

    QT? Do you think he's really talking to the team the same way he's talking to the press/public? 


    You always have to have a plan of attack and a "this is how we can keep it close, play with these guys and  beat them" sort of approach when he's talking to the team. Don't you think?  




    We did keep it relatively close vs Eastern Illinois and Eastern Kentucky. Message must be working!
  • DevilGradDevilGrad Wealthy Alum
    Well, I certainly hope he has a different message in the locker room, but Chuck Martin does two things as a coach that consistently irritate me when I see it from any coach.  One, he's a poor-mouther.  It's fine as a G5 coach to take a public line like "well, when you play a team as good as [NFL G-LEAGUE SQUAD], a lot of things have to go right for us to win, but we're working our tails off in camp so that we have a chance to have that kind of day."  But being transparently pissed at your AD for taking the paycheck doesn't do anyone any favors.  Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  

    Both of those traits stem from a coach's desire to protect his own reputation from factors that he doesn't think he fully controls.  But when you sign up for a D1 head coaching job, you get to own that stuff even when it's not 100% your responsibility.  I keep waiting for Chuck to moderate either of those tendencies, but perhaps in year five, what you see is all you'll get.  
    QuinoaburgerAORedHawk33redhawk11Bash_RiprockDICKagc
  • RenmancoRenmanco Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    Well, I certainly hope he has a different message in the locker room, but Chuck Martin does two things as a coach that consistently irritate me when I see it from any coach.  One, he's a poor-mouther.  It's fine as a G5 coach to take a public line like "well, when you play a team as good as [NFL G-LEAGUE SQUAD], a lot of things have to go right for us to win, but we're working our tails off in camp so that we have a chance to have that kind of day."  But being transparently pissed at your AD for taking the paycheck doesn't do anyone any favors.  Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  


    Both of those traits stem from a coach's desire to protect his own reputation from factors that he doesn't think he fully controls.  But when you sign up for a D1 head coaching job, you get to own that stuff even when it's not 100% your responsibility.  I keep waiting for Chuck to moderate either of those tendencies, but perhaps in year five, what you see is all you'll get.  
    Actually, this is year six.....
  • DevilGradDevilGrad Wealthy Alum
    Time flies when you're having . . . whatever it is that we're having.  
    JCook32
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    Completely agree with you here, DG. Chuck tries way too hard to deflect criticism away from himself, especially when it’s actually deserved!
  • QuinoaburgerQuinoaburger Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  

    I remember a game where we had 1st and goal at the one with a minute to go against the softest front 7 in the league in a situation where even a field goal would have given us the lead. Chuck called for a 2 FB pistol formation with a DT as one of the FBs (a formation that I don't think we had used at all that season) and then he called a play out of that formation that required a pre-snap shift. As everyone probably remembers, the play went haywire and we lost on a 99 yard fumble return. In the post game press conference, Chuck blamed the loss on the DT who he sent out on that play. It's just wildly inappropriate for someone who's supposed to be a leader.
    redhawk11Bash_RiprockAORedHawk33skin66ChiefPanic
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    I have tried to forget that loss. What were percentages at that point..something like a 99% odds we should have won? Only Chuck could find a complex play to blow that game.
  • JCook32JCook32 Summer Orientee
    Look, I can't believe I'm doing this but here goes....they snapped the ball out of shotgun 86% of the time in 2017. It would have been more risky to snap the ball from under center. That exchange was a physical mistake by the players on the field - either it was a bad snap by the center or the fullback/DT/whoever was in there was lined up in the wrong spot. You can blame Chuck for a lot of things, like the non-timeout, looking unprepared early in every season, whatever, but in that particular instance, the players just need to do their job.

    Also, FWIW, I took the idiot fans comment to refer to the people that thought the OU game was over when we were up 28-7 at half. They were 6-3, leading the division, we were 3-6 at the time. If at that point, you lit a victory cigar, I wouldn't call you an idiot fan, but maybe a little-over-confident fan.
    EDDIEDSnyder15
  • DICKDICK Wealthy Alum
    edited August 20

    DevilGrad said:

    Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  

    I remember a game where we had 1st and goal at the one with a minute to go against the softest front 7 in the league in a situation where even a field goal would have given us the lead. Chuck called for a 2 FB pistol formation with a DT as one of the FBs (a formation that I don't think we had used at all that season) and then he called a play out of that formation that required a pre-snap shift. As everyone probably remembers, the play went haywire and we lost on a 99 yard fumble return. In the post game press conference, Chuck blamed the loss on the DT who he sent out on that play. It's just wildly inappropriate for someone who's supposed to be a leader.
    That is absolutely correct.  When a team fails to execute a shift or a play correctly, that falls on the coaching staff for not teaching it and practicing it over and over till it is done perfectly.  The coach should take responsibility for the error, then go back to practice and run the play time and time again until it is done perfectly.  Players will get the message. Attention to detail is a mark of a great coach.  If your team screws up execution, that is the fault of the staff, and ultimately the head coach.
    redhawk11skin66RenmancoChiefPanic
  • AORedHawk33AORedHawk33 Wealthy Alum
    JCook32 said:

    Also, FWIW, I took the idiot fans comment to refer to the people that thought the OU game was over when we were up 28-7 at half. They were 6-3, leading the division, we were 3-6 at the time. If at that point, you lit a victory cigar, I wouldn't call you an idiot fan, but maybe a little-over-confident fan.

    @JCook32 based on what we’ve seen the last 15 years, and in particular the last 4 (UC, Miss State, BG, etc.), do you think there was a single fan who thought that game was over at halftime?
  • QuinoaburgerQuinoaburger Wealthy Alum
    JCook32 said:

    Also, FWIW, I took the idiot fans comment to refer to the people that thought the OU game was over when we were up 28-7 at half. They were 6-3, leading the division, we were 3-6 at the time. If at that point, you lit a victory cigar, I wouldn't call you an idiot fan, but maybe a little-over-confident fan.

    I didn't believe you, so I went back and looked at the transcript and you're actually completely right. The "idiot fans" comment was in reference to people thinking that a 28-7 halftime lead was comfortable. There was also a separate part of the press conference that I was thinking of where he ranted about the fans moaning that he was going to blow it again as we were choking away the lead in the fourth quarter. So in literally the same press conference he got mad at fans for both believing in the team and not believing in the team. Like, what does he want from us?
    ChiefPanic
  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum

    JCook32 said:

    Also, FWIW, I took the idiot fans comment to refer to the people that thought the OU game was over when we were up 28-7 at half. They were 6-3, leading the division, we were 3-6 at the time. If at that point, you lit a victory cigar, I wouldn't call you an idiot fan, but maybe a little-over-confident fan.

    I didn't believe you, so I went back and looked at the transcript and you're actually completely right. The "idiot fans" comment was in reference to people thinking that a 28-7 halftime lead was comfortable. There was also a separate part of the press conference that I was thinking of where he ranted about the fans moaning that he was going to blow it again as we were choking away the lead in the fourth quarter. So in literally the same press conference he got mad at fans for both believing in the team and not believing in the team. Like, what does he want from us?
    Adoration? Idolation? And the occasional donut. 
  • JiveHawkJiveHawk Wealthy Alum
    edited August 21
    One player done for the season. Wonder who it is. Hopefully not Kimpler... Anyone else not playing during camp?

    Edit: Just did some digging. I think it's Andrew Sharp.
  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum
    Same question as Jive-who is done for the year? CM in his camp wrap up just say one guy is gone for year with injury. Anyone have any clues?
  • JiveHawkJiveHawk Wealthy Alum
    Bluesman said:

    Same question as Jive-who is done for the year? CM in his camp wrap up just say one guy is gone for year with injury. Anyone have any clues?

    See edit above. In the Day 14 gallery you can see him on crutches in the background next to Dom on the elliptical https://miamiredhawks.com/galleries/?path=football
  • Spanks004Spanks004 Wealthy Alum
    Knock on wood now, but if we only have one guy out for the year, that's not terrible.
    Mowch
  • skin66skin66 Wealthy Alum
    Spanks004 said:

    Knock on wood now, but if we only have one guy out for the year, that's not terrible.




    You are positively correct. Not bad. Then again, we have not played a game yet. Iowa and THE People are injury producing possibilities.
  • JiveHawkJiveHawk Wealthy Alum
    edited August 21
    Josh Maize has a wrap on his knee and didn't practice. Kimpler is still out but no braces.
  • Redhawks16Redhawks16 Wealthy Alum
    edited August 21
    I'm probably keeping Kimpler out for Iowa if it's even close.

  • elpalitoelpalito Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    Well, I certainly hope he has a different message in the locker room, but Chuck Martin does two things as a coach that consistently irritate me when I see it from any coach.  One, he's a poor-mouther.  It's fine as a G5 coach to take a public line like "well, when you play a team as good as [NFL G-LEAGUE SQUAD], a lot of things have to go right for us to win, but we're working our tails off in camp so that we have a chance to have that kind of day."  But being transparently pissed at your AD for taking the paycheck doesn't do anyone any favors.  Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  


    Both of those traits stem from a coach's desire to protect his own reputation from factors that he doesn't think he fully controls.  But when you sign up for a D1 head coaching job, you get to own that stuff even when it's not 100% your responsibility.  I keep waiting for Chuck to moderate either of those tendencies, but perhaps in year five, what you see is all you'll get.  
    It's a fine line. For most of us, 'Cousins became Cousins' and 'Ask Cal why it was so close' are great lines. But how close is that to saying your team shouldn't have been in the game?
    Track record, perhaps. CC also spoke highly of his squad and I'm not sure CM ever really has.

  • redhawk11redhawk11 Wealthy Alum
    elpalito said:

    DevilGrad said:

    Well, I certainly hope he has a different message in the locker room, but Chuck Martin does two things as a coach that consistently irritate me when I see it from any coach.  One, he's a poor-mouther.  It's fine as a G5 coach to take a public line like "well, when you play a team as good as [NFL G-LEAGUE SQUAD], a lot of things have to go right for us to win, but we're working our tails off in camp so that we have a chance to have that kind of day."  But being transparently pissed at your AD for taking the paycheck doesn't do anyone any favors.  Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  


    Both of those traits stem from a coach's desire to protect his own reputation from factors that he doesn't think he fully controls.  But when you sign up for a D1 head coaching job, you get to own that stuff even when it's not 100% your responsibility.  I keep waiting for Chuck to moderate either of those tendencies, but perhaps in year five, what you see is all you'll get.  
    It's a fine line. For most of us, 'Cousins became Cousins' and 'Ask Cal why it was so close' are great lines. But how close is that to saying your team shouldn't have been in the game?
    Track record, perhaps. CC also spoke highly of his squad and I'm not sure CM ever really has.

    Comments before a game and comments after a game are very different.

    Bash_RiprockDICK
  • thechuck_2112thechuck_2112 Wealthy Alum
    elpalito said:

    DevilGrad said:

    Well, I certainly hope he has a different message in the locker room, but Chuck Martin does two things as a coach that consistently irritate me when I see it from any coach.  One, he's a poor-mouther.  It's fine as a G5 coach to take a public line like "well, when you play a team as good as [NFL G-LEAGUE SQUAD], a lot of things have to go right for us to win, but we're working our tails off in camp so that we have a chance to have that kind of day."  But being transparently pissed at your AD for taking the paycheck doesn't do anyone any favors.  Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  


    Both of those traits stem from a coach's desire to protect his own reputation from factors that he doesn't think he fully controls.  But when you sign up for a D1 head coaching job, you get to own that stuff even when it's not 100% your responsibility.  I keep waiting for Chuck to moderate either of those tendencies, but perhaps in year five, what you see is all you'll get.  
    It's a fine line. For most of us, 'Cousins became Cousins' and 'Ask Cal why it was so close' are great lines. But how close is that to saying your team shouldn't have been in the game?
    Track record, perhaps. CC also spoke highly of his squad and I'm not sure CM ever really has.

    I think context as well. It's one thing to say "Cousins became Cousins" after a close loss that happened, in no small part, because Cousins suddenly remembered he was Cousins and played like it.  Quite another to talk about how you expect to be "physically overwhelmed" before the game even happens.
    DICK
  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    elpalito said:

    DevilGrad said:

    Well, I certainly hope he has a different message in the locker room, but Chuck Martin does two things as a coach that consistently irritate me when I see it from any coach.  One, he's a poor-mouther.  It's fine as a G5 coach to take a public line like "well, when you play a team as good as [NFL G-LEAGUE SQUAD], a lot of things have to go right for us to win, but we're working our tails off in camp so that we have a chance to have that kind of day."  But being transparently pissed at your AD for taking the paycheck doesn't do anyone any favors.  Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  


    Both of those traits stem from a coach's desire to protect his own reputation from factors that he doesn't think he fully controls.  But when you sign up for a D1 head coaching job, you get to own that stuff even when it's not 100% your responsibility.  I keep waiting for Chuck to moderate either of those tendencies, but perhaps in year five, what you see is all you'll get.  
    It's a fine line. For most of us, 'Cousins became Cousins' and 'Ask Cal why it was so close' are great lines. But how close is that to saying your team shouldn't have been in the game?
    Track record, perhaps. CC also spoke highly of his squad and I'm not sure CM ever really has.

    The post-UK press conference is now lore. But, as a Miami fan, my primary concern with that game is that we took it to and came within an inch of beating one of the best teams in the country. When CM develops a track record of taking top 25 teams to the brink - as opposed to his current track record of going .500 vs FCS schools and forgetting to call time outs in rivalry games - he can say whatever he wants in press conferences.
    Mowchelpalitoredhawk11ChiefPanicRenmancoDICKJHVMUFBAlum
  • ChiefPanicChiefPanic Off-Campus Slummer

    DevilGrad said:

    Two, he's an "I coached good; they played bad" kind of guy.  I *hate* coaches who throw players under the bus in the post-game -- even when they deserve it.  That's not good leadership, and it's not good teaching.  

    I remember a game where we had 1st and goal at the one with a minute to go against the softest front 7 in the league in a situation where even a field goal would have given us the lead. Chuck called for a 2 FB pistol formation with a DT as one of the FBs (a formation that I don't think we had used at all that season) and then he called a play out of that formation that required a pre-snap shift. As everyone probably remembers, the play went haywire and we lost on a 99 yard fumble return. In the post game press conference, Chuck blamed the loss on the DT who he sent out on that play. It's just wildly inappropriate for someone who's supposed to be a leader.
    This was so obscenely ridiculous that I just laughed out loud.
  • rexjack53rexjack53 Wealthy Alum
    Yes, that was a stupid coaching call, the next week Miami blew a 11 point lead at Kent.
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