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greggie76greggie76 Off-Campus Slummer
If some how coach cooper wins the Mac tournament does he get contract extension
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  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum
    Depends how he wins it. If we have a .500 record or below or just above it, but get hot in the tournament, which can happen, I would say no. We have to see clear, definitive improvement on the floor and in the W/L totals. I would not be in favor of extending a coach based on a post season tourney run alone.
  • CMHskinsCMHskins Havighurstite
    Agree, we need to see significant improvement.  We cannot reward mediocrity.
  • Iam4hawksIam4hawks Wealthy Alum
    I think it would take a winning record overall and a top three finish in the MAC regular season and two rounds into the MAC tourney for it to even be considered.  When it comes to  the "hot seat" you could smelt iron on Cooper's
  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    If Christina Hendricks comes to my office and asks me to run away with her this afternoon, do I get to leave everything behind?  

    I thought Rita Hayworth was more your age range. But, also, yes.
    profholt82DevilGradDSnyder15Re6H5wkLove_and_Honor
  • MowchMowch Senior Barfly
    DevilGrad said:

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    (Rec'd.)
    Look! People in the stands!
  • mollauttmollautt Wealthy Alum
    greggie76 said:

    If some how coach cooper wins the Mac tournament does he get contract extension

    =>Last season people were calling for an extension after a 2 game win streak.

    redhawk11
  • Re6H5wkRe6H5wk Wealthy Alum
    edited June 2016
    This is a very good question. I'd personally still want him gone unless we win ~16 games going into the tournament. However, I don't see how you don't bring a guy back who led a team to its first NCAA appearance in 10 years, and just second since the Sweet 16 run. Looking at his track record, though, and our current roster, I don't think we have to worry about winning (m)any games in Cleveland.
    DSnyder15
  • Re6H5wkRe6H5wk Wealthy Alum
    My dad just chimed in- "If we win the tournament, there should be an investigation." ^_^
    dave67killgas20DSnyder15elpalitoredhawk11
  • DICKDICK Wealthy Alum
    We will surely be picked to finish 12th (last) in the MAC, based on our records in previous seasons under Cooper and us having the least amount of returning established talent in the league.  No returning players even close to averaging double digits.  If we win the MAC with this lack of talent and experience, then give the man an extention, it would be a shocking accomplishment.
    DSnyder15Re6H5wkAORedHawk33MoHawk
  • skin66skin66 Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    If Christina Hendricks comes to my office and asks me to run away with her this afternoon, do I get to leave everything behind?  

    First of all, Christina has given no indication that she is leaving.  Secondly if we finish first in our division and first or second in the league tourney then the man should be seriously considered for an extension.  
  • DSnyder15DSnyder15 Wealthy Alum
    edited June 2016
    Akron and Buffalo will be very strong.  Ohio only loses Treg Setty....they will be strong.  BG has 7 of the 9 rotation guys returning and 5 of the top 6.  Kent is always tough.  Who knows how tough...they build with transfers.  I don't know much about the west...but Miami will be lucky to finish ahead of any eastern team.  I suspect that Sayler has a list that he carries around in his front pocket ready to go for the next coach  ;-)
    MoHawk
  • JiveHawkJiveHawk Wealthy Alum
    DSnyder15 said:

    Akron and Buffalo will be very strong.  Ohio only loses Treg Setty....they will be strong.  BG has 7 of the 9 rotation guys returning and 5 of the top 6.  Kent is always tough.  Who knows how tough...they build with transfers.  I don't know much about the west...but Miami will be lucky to finish ahead of any eastern team.  I suspect that Sayler has a list that he carries around in his front pocket ready to go for the next coach  ;-)

    ADs always say the best keep a list of potential coaches at all times. Just in case the current coach does very well or very poor. Sayler is no exception. I actually wouldn't be surprised if his top choice knew already.
  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    JiveHawk said:

    DSnyder15 said:

    Akron and Buffalo will be very strong.  Ohio only loses Treg Setty....they will be strong.  BG has 7 of the 9 rotation guys returning and 5 of the top 6.  Kent is always tough.  Who knows how tough...they build with transfers.  I don't know much about the west...but Miami will be lucky to finish ahead of any eastern team.  I suspect that Sayler has a list that he carries around in his front pocket ready to go for the next coach  ;-)

    ADs always say the best keep a list of potential coaches at all times. Just in case the current coach does very well or very poor. Sayler is no exception. I actually wouldn't be surprised if his top choice knew already.
    I would say that if you polled the top basketball supporters around these parts, you would find that Sayler has some work to do in regaining their confidence in his handling of the men's basketball program. This is particularly true after his failure to fire a lame duck John Cooper, tantamount to acceptance of Cooper's 13 win fetish. That is certainly the case with me. Mol? DICK? hoopsjunkie? Blues? Others?
    redhawk11
  • Re6H5wkRe6H5wk Wealthy Alum
    yanksalex said:

    JiveHawk said:

    DSnyder15 said:

    Akron and Buffalo will be very strong.  Ohio only loses Treg Setty....they will be strong.  BG has 7 of the 9 rotation guys returning and 5 of the top 6.  Kent is always tough.  Who knows how tough...they build with transfers.  I don't know much about the west...but Miami will be lucky to finish ahead of any eastern team.  I suspect that Sayler has a list that he carries around in his front pocket ready to go for the next coach  ;-)

    ADs always say the best keep a list of potential coaches at all times. Just in case the current coach does very well or very poor. Sayler is no exception. I actually wouldn't be surprised if his top choice knew already.
    I would say that if you polled the top basketball supporters around these parts, you would find that Sayler has some work to do in regaining their confidence in his handling of the men's basketball program. This is particularly true after his failure to fire a lame duck John Cooper, tantamount to acceptance of Cooper's 13 win fetish. That is certainly the case with me. Mol? DICK? hoopsjunkie? Blues? Others?
    I'm not in the same company of the prestigious fans you mentioned, but I'll chime in. For the most part, I've been happy with Saylor. I wasn't thrilled that he kept Cooper, but I can understand why he did. If he brings him back after his contract expires, THEN he'll have some work to do to regain my confidence.
    DSnyder15JiveHawk
  • The_SackmanThe_Sackman Wealthy Alum
    I don't know why all the doom and gloom. Bane and Beverly will lead a Miami basketball renaissance the likes of which have never been seen.
    MoHawkRe6H5wkQuinoaburgerHighStreetBluesAORedHawk33redhawk11Love_and_Honordave67
  • DSnyder15DSnyder15 Wealthy Alum

    I don't know why all the doom and gloom. Bane and Beverly will lead a Miami basketball renaissance the likes of which have never been seen.

    What happened??  We were told over and over by some that if Cooper was not retained we would lose recruits and players.  We retained Cooper....are you telling me we STILL lost those recruits??  How can that be???  Why, pray tell, would we have kept Cooper if it was not to keep the recruits and current players??  If we have the least talented team in the league...shouldn't we just have blown the thing up and started from scratch??  
    Quinoaburger
  • The_SackmanThe_Sackman Wealthy Alum
    We're just going to do it a year later than we should have for reasons that I refuse to accept.
    Re6H5wk
  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum
    Well we never had Bane. So we didn't lose him. We just couldn't deal the deal. But I personally can't wait for the Milos Jovic era to begin!!!
    JiveHawk
  • 2xHawk2xHawk Senior Barfly
    DSnyder15 said:

    I don't know why all the doom and gloom. Bane and Beverly will lead a Miami basketball renaissance the likes of which have never been seen.

    What happened??  We were told over and over by some that if Cooper was not retained we would lose recruits and players.  We retained Cooper....are you telling me we STILL lost those recruits??  How can that be???  Why, pray tell, would we have kept Cooper if it was not to keep the recruits and current players??  If we have the least talented team in the league...shouldn't we just have blown the thing up and started from scratch??  
    It was never about keeping recruits.  It was about not having the cash necessary to buy him out of his last year.
  • renmanazrenmanaz Dodds God
    2xHawk said:

    DSnyder15 said:

    I don't know why all the doom and gloom. Bane and Beverly will lead a Miami basketball renaissance the likes of which have never been seen.

    What happened??  We were told over and over by some that if Cooper was not retained we would lose recruits and players.  We retained Cooper....are you telling me we STILL lost those recruits??  How can that be???  Why, pray tell, would we have kept Cooper if it was not to keep the recruits and current players??  If we have the least talented team in the league...shouldn't we just have blown the thing up and started from scratch??  
    It was never about keeping recruits.  It was about not having the cash necessary to buy him out of his last year.
    BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    We have a winner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • JC5JC5 Summer Orientee
    edited June 2016
    There is nothing this team could do that would make me support extending Cooper. I think we've seen enough to know that any hypothetical positive results would be a fluke.

    Do you give a pro athlete a huge contract if he plays over his head in a contract year? If that can ruin a team, extending a bad coach would do even more damage.
    redhawk11
  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    renmanaz said:

    2xHawk said:

    DSnyder15 said:

    I don't know why all the doom and gloom. Bane and Beverly will lead a Miami basketball renaissance the likes of which have never been seen.

    What happened??  We were told over and over by some that if Cooper was not retained we would lose recruits and players.  We retained Cooper....are you telling me we STILL lost those recruits??  How can that be???  Why, pray tell, would we have kept Cooper if it was not to keep the recruits and current players??  If we have the least talented team in the league...shouldn't we just have blown the thing up and started from scratch??  
    It was never about keeping recruits.  It was about not having the cash necessary to buy him out of his last year.
    BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    We have a winner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Stop with this nonsense. It had nothing to do with money.
  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum
    My thoughts in general are if Cooper wants the kind of money that Wright State just gave their new coach, he better go in the stands and sell concessions at halftime! 
  • JiveHawkJiveHawk Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    This serves as your periodic reminder that approximately two-thirds (65.9%) of Miami's intercollegiate athletics operating budget is funded by student fees.  Every decision in this athletic department is resource constrained. 

    And when professors are threatening to strike over pay and everything else that's going on with a new president, there are too many reasons why firing him and increasing the next coach's salary to compete with everyone else would be a bad move for the athletics department. Professors don't like fighting over more pay and being told that can't happen, and then the schools spends $750,000 in firing and hiring a new coach at once.
  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    DevilGrad said:

    This serves as your periodic reminder that approximately two-thirds (65.9%) of Miami's intercollegiate athletics operating budget is funded by student fees.  Every decision in this athletic department is resource constrained. 

    You're wrong in this instance.

    Cooper was on a budget contract. Even a modicum of increased success would have recouped the buyout many times over.
  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum
    I think the fair and correct answer is it was multifactorial with money being one piece of the puzzle, an important piece, but not the only one.
    DSnyder15
  • AORedHawk33AORedHawk33 Wealthy Alum
    I understand the logistics and some of the external factors that went into the decision, but I still wonder what may have happened if Braxton Beverly had announced his decommitment a couple weeks earlier.
    DSnyder15
  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    DevilGrad said:

    From what, exactly?  Miami's total season basketball attendance last year was around 25,000.  If you doubled that (which I would consider unlikely in Year One of a rebuild) and assume about $20 per head in revenue, that gives you about half a million in extra revenue to play with.  Factor in Cooper's buyout -- modest as it may be -- and the increased salaries for both the head coach and assistants that you'll need for the next staff, and I conclude that's a much closer decision than you'd think.  It may have been doable without a leadership transition up top also going on this spring.  


    Don't get me wrong:  I don't like the position we're in here.  But I think I understand why we're in it.   
    The economic impact of hiring a new coach could not be judged in year 1, right?  Do the same math but assume after 5 years an average attendance of 37,500 (given our attendance in recent years compared to 10 years ago, this seems like an overtly modest proposition assuming any increased success). Add in concessions and parking and merchandise. 

    If your response is that we must judge the new hire only by his first year because Cooper is essentially on a one year deal, let me know because I have responses to that in the queue of my brain but a poker tournament at the Aria I must go register for.



  • BluesmanBluesman Wealthy Alum

    I understand the logistics and some of the external factors that went into the decision, but I still wonder what may have happened if Braxton Beverly had announced his decommitment a couple weeks earlier.

    My guess. Absolutely nothing different would have happened. 
  • NickskinNickskin Wealthy Alum
    edited June 2016
    Alex suggests that had Miami fired Cooper that the splash of a new coach and increased revenue in ticket sales would help make up for the $250k buyout.  However, I'm not sure that the suggestion is so simple.

    *What direction will DS take with a new hire?

    Currently, Miami ranks in the bottom quarter of the MAC in compensation for its MBB HC. I would suggest that the salary pool for assistant coaches is also found in that same neighborhood.  Further, we also know that Miami is 10th in the MAC in recruiting budget.  Will DS look for a similarly priced candidate or will he look to fill the position with a coach that would propel Miami into the top quarter of the MAC (i.e. $500k or above) in relationship with compensation?

    One might suggest that DS is considering the latter and that the reason he did not relieve Cooper of his duties after his third 13-win campaign is that he was not in a position to satisfy the financial requirements of such a move ($250k buyout + $500k salary + increased assistant salary pool).
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