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Redbird Rivalry Week

NescacdadNescacdad Wealthy Alum
edited October 17 in Football
Ball State seems to have thrown a switch three weeks ago. After a very lethargic start in which they struggled against their FCS, got blown out by Penn State and Wyoming, and lost by 10 at home to Toledo, they have really turned it on - with three consecutive impressive wins against Army, Western Michigan and Eastern Michigan.

We’re playing them up the road at their place and they will have a big “chirp” on their shoulder because of the loss at Oxford last season. We will really need to bring it to Muncie to even our record at 4-4. Our unanticipated loss at Ypsilanti made the Ball State game a very important one for us. The old adage is that defense travels well. We will probably need to rely on that being true.

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  • Love_and_HonorLove_and_Honor Wealthy Alum
    edited October 17
    Weird that we're playing them on a Saturday, we've played them on a weeknight every game dating back to 2016.

    Our D has stepped up in MAC play, our offense needs to show some creativity to win this one. Lose and we have zero room for error the rest of the season, we're looking at 6-6 with no bowl as our likely ceiling.
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    Very concerned that we will be unable to slow down their passing attack unless (as already stated here elsewhere) we get a lot of pressure on their QB or somehow Chuck and his DC decide our DB’s ought to defend the shorter passes. The latter seems unlikely I would think.
  • ScalperScalper Wealthy Alum
    Someone tell Chuck he can win a trophy this week.
  • bpatbpat Wealthy Alum

    Weird that we're playing them on a Saturday, we've played them on a weeknight every game dating back to 2016.

    Our D has stepped up in MAC play, our offense needs to show some creativity to win this one. Lose and we have zero room for error the rest of the season, we're looking at 6-6 with no bowl as our likely ceiling.

    We played them there on a Saturday in 2019. It was the infamous Jackson Williamson game. After Gabbert got hurt things went south very quickly. 
  • muhawkmuhawk Wealthy Alum
    bpat said:

    Weird that we're playing them on a Saturday, we've played them on a weeknight every game dating back to 2016.

    Our D has stepped up in MAC play, our offense needs to show some creativity to win this one. Lose and we have zero room for error the rest of the season, we're looking at 6-6 with no bowl as our likely ceiling.

    We played them there on a Saturday in 2019. It was the infamous Jackson Williamson game. After Gabbert got hurt things went south very quickly. 
    Was that a Saturday? I thought that was the day after Thanksgiving.
  • DICKDICK Wealthy Alum
    Thanksgiving Friday afternoon in 2019.  We had a very nice Miami crowd at that game, it would help to have the same on Saturday.  This is our closest MAC road game, a very easy drive for most fans.  We made fun of the Redbird rivalry when it started, but it now seems that it has been becoming just as big as the Ohio game as Saturday will be a meeting between the last two MAC Champs and is a possible MACC matchup.  Here are the current MACEast standings:  Kent and Miami 2-1, Ohio, Akron, and Buffalo 1-2, BG 0-3.  One way to look at the schedule, Kent has 3 road games left and their two home games are NIU and Miami, both currently in first.  If Kent wins the East, they are going to have to earn it.  Also, Kent still has two crossover games to play, this will be our last ( West seems much stronger than the East).  
  • QuinoaburgerQuinoaburger Wealthy Alum
    edited October 17
    Looks like we're opening up at +6 this week.
  • bpatbpat Wealthy Alum

    Weird that we're playing them on a Saturday, we've played them on a weeknight every game dating back to 2016.
    Our D has stepped up in MAC play, our offense needs to show some creativity to win this one. Lose and we have zero room for error the rest of the season, we're looking at 6-6 with no bowl as our likely ceiling.

    My apologies. You ARE CORRECT. It was a Friday and not Saturday.
  • 75_Redskins75_Redskins Senior Barfly
    What a contrived rivalry. 
  • yanksalexyanksalex Wealthy Alum
    Stupid rivalry. Huge game.
  • skinsskins Wealthy Alum
    edited October 18
    yanksalex said:

    Stupid rivalry. Huge game.

    What, coach lives for this rivalry! ALL of the OOC was leading to this...




    ;-)
  • skin66skin66 Wealthy Alum
    Yep
  • DICKDICK Wealthy Alum
    edited October 17

    Looks like we're opening up at +6 this week.

    We just lost at EMU last week by one point, while Ball State just won at EMU by 7 points on Saturday.  That is an 8 point difference.  If you add in 3 points for home field, that would make BSU 11 points better.  Of course, that is just one way you can compare the two teams.  We also both played Army and they won at home and we lost on the road.  We beat them in a very close game in Oxford last year, they beat us in Muncie in 2019.  We are both 2-1 in the MAC. Their starting QB has been healthy, ours has not.  We just got two of our best players back Saturday and they scored 3 TD's.
  • skin66skin66 Wealthy Alum
    DICK said:

    Looks like we're opening up at +6 this week.

    We just lost at EMU last week by one point, while Ball State just won at EMU by 7 points on Saturday.  That is an 8 point difference.  If you add in 3 points for home field, that would make BSU 11 points better.  Of course, that is just one way you can compare the two teams.  We also both played Army and they won at home and we lost on the road.  We beat them in a very close game in Oxford last year, they beat us in Muncie in 2019.  We are both 2-1 in the MAC. Their starting QB has been healthy, ours has not.  We just got two of our best players back Saturday and they scored 3 TD's.
    I’m a simple person. What I am fairly certain of after reading this is that if we score more points than them we win. There is, of course, another scenario in which our defense holds them to fewer points than we score and we win that way also. If neither of these come true, we probably lose.

  • QuinoaburgerQuinoaburger Wealthy Alum
    skin66 said:

    DICK said:

    Looks like we're opening up at +6 this week.

    We just lost at EMU last week by one point, while Ball State just won at EMU by 7 points on Saturday.  That is an 8 point difference.  If you add in 3 points for home field, that would make BSU 11 points better.  Of course, that is just one way you can compare the two teams.  We also both played Army and they won at home and we lost on the road.  We beat them in a very close game in Oxford last year, they beat us in Muncie in 2019.  We are both 2-1 in the MAC. Their starting QB has been healthy, ours has not.  We just got two of our best players back Saturday and they scored 3 TD's.
    I’m a simple person. What I am fairly certain of after reading this is that if we score more points than them we win. There is, of course, another scenario in which our defense holds them to fewer points than we score and we win that way also. If neither of these come true, we probably lose.

    Insightful
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    Whether or not you like the contrived Redbird rivalry as of late this game has been increasingly important to both teams.
  • NescacdadNescacdad Wealthy Alum
    edited October 18
    Well at least it’s proven itself far more interesting - and longer lasting - than the contrived UConn-UCF rivalry. The Redbird seems to be getting more important each year because of the parity between the two programs and the mandate to play a crossover game with each other every year. It also helps both schools manage travel costs, although I assume we overnight on Fridays in or near Muncie for the apparently rare Saturday afternoon games.
  • Bash_RiprockBash_Riprock Wealthy Alum
    The silliness of this "rivalry" means that one of Miami's three divisional crossover games will always be against Ball State, resulting in Miami going years without playing someone from the MAC West. Miami hasn't played Toledo since 2011. That's right, Chuck Martin has been around for 8 years and has never coached a game against Toledo. JohnnyMac weeps. 
  • MooreHawkMooreHawk Senior Barfly

    The silliness of this "rivalry" means that one of Miami's three divisional crossover games will always be against Ball State, resulting in Miami going years without playing someone from the MAC West. Miami hasn't played Toledo since 2011. That's right, Chuck Martin has been around for 8 years and has never coached a game against Toledo. JohnnyMac weeps. 

    It still leaves 2 cross-divisional games against 5 teams. We could be playing every west team once every 3 years. The MAC just hasn't been scheduling that way though.
  • skinsskins Wealthy Alum
    edited October 18
    It is very strange that we don't play Toledo...but I'm sure Chuck Martin does not mind, he'd probably think it was an OOC game, and tank it.







    ;-)


    PS. Ball State gives up 180+ per game on the ground....
  • Cincykid3Cincykid3 Wealthy Alum
    Agree w Moorehawk..it’s the league’s fault we haven’t played UT at least once or twice in the last 10 years. We have some good games against Ball State and I don’t mind playing them every year.
  • NescacdadNescacdad Wealthy Alum
    edited October 18
    Agree. And it definitely makes sense in an underfunded “economy class” conference like the MAC to create an annual rivalry game between two schools in towns as close as Oxford and Muncie are.

    Some UC guys weighed in on the Athletic recently on the Miami - UC rivalry. They think it ought to continue after they move to the BIG12 and lose an annual OOC game because it’s close by - 2 games in Cincy to 1 in Oxford, and predictably a perennial FBS win. They favor dropping their FCS game to continue playing the Miami rivalry.
    Cincykid3 said:

    Agree w Moorehawk..it’s the league’s fault we haven’t played UT at least once or twice in the last 10 years. We have some good games against Ball State and I don’t mind playing them every year.

  • JohnnyMacJohnnyMac Wealthy Alum

    The silliness of this "rivalry" means that one of Miami's three divisional crossover games will always be against Ball State, resulting in Miami going years without playing someone from the MAC West. Miami hasn't played Toledo since 2011. That's right, Chuck Martin has been around for 8 years and has never coached a game against Toledo. JohnnyMac weeps. 

    I need a beer.
  • DICKDICK Wealthy Alum
    edited October 18
    Nescacdad said:

    Agree. And it definitely makes sense in an underfunded “economy class” conference like the MAC to create an annual rivalry game between two schools in towns as close as Oxford and Muncie are.

    Some UC guys weighed in on the Athletic recently on the Miami - UC rivalry. They think it ought to continue after they move to the BIG12 and lose an annual OOC game because it’s close by - 2 games in Cincy to 1 in Oxford, and predictably a perennial FBS win. They favor dropping their FCS game to continue playing the Miami rivalry.

    Cincykid3 said:

    Agree w Moorehawk..it’s the league’s fault we haven’t played UT at least once or twice in the last 10 years. We have some good games against Ball State and I don’t mind playing them every year.

    That arrangement with UC makes sense to me, as long as it is at UC, at Paul Brown, at Miami every 3 years, with the schools splitting the home team designation at Paul Brown.  With UC joining the Big 12, their road games are all going to be very long trips.  The games with Miami would all be local.
  • NescacdadNescacdad Wealthy Alum
    Agree, Dick. Would seem to make sense for everyone.
  • skinsskins Wealthy Alum
    edited October 18
    Except Miami Alumni...as Chunk Martin, will tank the game per usual.
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